[Free-sklyarov-uk] Dmitry Released on Bail

[Andrew Clark]

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On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 04:24:58PM +0100, Julian T. J. Midgley wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Andrew Clark wrote:
>=20
> > [Offer of help with website]
> > Anyway, the offer's there if you're looking for someone to do the
> > pages, and I should be able to find hosting for them also. Let me know
> > if you want more details, sites or whatever.
> >
>=20
> This could well be useful - I could definitely do with a hand maintaining
> the website, provided you promise to check your pages on older and non IE
> browsers ;-)  Have you seen what tweakhtml.com looks like on Netscape 4.77
> or less on Linux?
>=20

Regarding checking them in non-IE browsers, that's pretty much all I do (I =
use Mozilla / Galeon). The reason it looks so bad in Netscape 4.x is that I=
 stick to CSS/HTML standards which kind of kicks Netscape 4 in the teeth (t=
he CSS support is dire).

Generally speaking, if I create personal sites, I'll ignore browsers and st=
ick to the standards, the reason being that I hope that using the standards=
 makes the site as accessible as possible. As a result the sites are usable=
 in (hopefully) any browser, but don't necessarily look very nice (e.g. www=
.tweakhtml.com in Netscape 4). When I do sites for work, I do indeed check =
the sites in as many browsers as I can.

If I use XHTML 1.0 Transitional, I can get the site looking fine in Netscap=
e 4 and still be valid HTML (I normally use XHTML 1.0 Strict, which is the =
Netscape-killer). But at the end of the day, I'll do the site however peopl=
e want.

> Don't yet need hosting space- the website and mailing list are run off a
> co-located box that a group of us share.
>=20

No problem. The offers open anyway, if anything changes.

> >
> > The company I work for is fairly small, and although I can't garuantee
> > anything, I may be able to persuade my boss to allow our company to be
> > referenced as a company which is against the EUCD / DMCA - as I say, I
> > can't guarantee this, though.
>=20
> Definitely worth a try, one of things I would like to discuss when we
> hold our first planning meeting is how we encourage businesses to give us
> or (perhaps more likely) the FIPR their public support.
>=20

It's just occured to me that perhaps the companies which are unwilling to l=
end support are the ones who's support would be most beneficial. For exampl=
e, if we were able to gain support of some highstreet CD/video stores, it w=
ould demonstrate that even companies who you would expect to be pro-EUCD ar=
e against it. Of course, persuading some is another issue altogether, and p=
robably not possible. Perhaps an argument like 'Publically denouncing the E=
UCD makes it clear that you care about your customers'.

Anyway, just a thought, and probably obvious anyway, but I thought it was w=
orth mentioning.

> >
> > Alternatively/in addition to this, part of our organisation is an
> > Internet cafe, and if we can get some fliers made and I can get hold
> > of some, I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be able to put some in
> > the cafe for customers to take away.
>=20
> Great idea!  We should do this in as many internet cafes as possible,
> since there's a fairly high probabilty that the denizens will be
> interested in copyright issues.
>=20

Libraries may also be an idea if they're willing (which I'm guessing is fai=
rly likely) - anyone who uses libraries is going to be concerned by the con=
cept of pay-per-read. Plus libraries are fairly neutral (as opposed to, for=
 example, a music shop who obviously will support anything which increases =
sales).

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> >
> > For what it's worth, if I hadn't seen NewsNight, I still wouldn't know
> > about the UK action even now, and I think there may still be a large
> > number of people who are already concerned about these issues and who
> > would be more than happy to help out if they were only aware of local
> > (i.e. UK) groups. With that in mind, I would say that the most
> > important thing is to let people know that there is action being taken
> > in the UK, and we'll hopefully gather people who are already
> > interested fairly easily.
>=20
> Well said, that man.  Can you make it along tomorrow?
>=20
> Apologies for the delay in replying to this one, marked down to come back
> to and have ended up running round like a blue arse fly all week.
>=20

NP. I'll try my best to be there - I have nothing else planned so unless so=
mething unforseen happens, I'll do my best to be there. I live in Uxbridge =
(NW London), so certainly anywhere in central London is easy for me. If any=
where else, I'll sort something out.

Cheers,

Andy.
--
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Just one or two and a pinch of salt should =
do the trick.
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